Social media platforms like Twitter and Reddit are increasingly infested with bots and fake accounts, leading to significant manipulation of public discourse. These bots don’t just annoy users—they skew visibility through vote manipulation. Fake accounts and automated scripts systematically downvote posts opposing certain viewpoints, distorting the content that surfaces and amplifying specific agendas.

Before coming to Lemmy, I was systematically downvoted by bots on Reddit for completely normal comments that were relatively neutral and not controversial​ at all. Seemed to be no pattern in it… One time I commented that my favorite game was WoW, down voted -15 for no apparent reason.

For example, a bot on Twitter using an API call to GPT-4o ran out of funding and started posting their prompts and system information publicly.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/chatgpt-bot-x-russian-campaign-meme/

Example shown here

Bots like these are probably in the tens or hundreds of thousands. They did a huge ban wave of bots on Reddit, and some major top level subreddits were quiet for days because of it. Unbelievable…

How do we even fix this issue or prevent it from affecting Lemmy??

  • higgsboson@dubvee.orgEnglish
    92·
    3 months ago

    That’s a hard NO from me, dawg. If Lemmy goes down that path, I will just not comment. My account settings let me just block bots. I dont need my resources wasted so I can interact with the “good bots”.

    • asap@lemmy.worldEnglish
      71·
      3 months ago

      How much resources are we talking about here? If it’s 3% of your CPU usage for 2 seconds, you’re really going to have an issue with that?

      Whatever solution should be negligible for you, but costly for a botfarm.

      Here’s a live example, not exactly onerous: https://demo.mcaptcha.org/widget/?sitekey=pHy0AktWyOKuxZDzFfoaewncWecCHo23

      (Obviously in Lemmy’s case you wouldn’t have the additional unecessary checkbox)

      • higgsboson@dubvee.orgEnglish
        2·
        3 months ago

        That’s not what I consider negligible on my phone, which is already resource constrained. Yes, I have a problem with an app that intentionally wastes my valuable resources. I wouldn’t care so much from my desktop, but I mostly just use a desktop client to do things I can’t easily do on my mobile clients.

        No big deal. It’s not as if my participation is especially valuable. I would just participate less.

        edit: my objection is obviously more in principal than it is practical, but it would hardly be the first time I walked away from software (or a network) on philosophical grounds.

        • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          6·
          3 months ago

          If we can’t find a more practical solution, then is it really a “waste” of resources? Right now we’re paying with much more expensive time and attention.

      • nutsack@lemmy.worldEnglish
        11·
        3 months ago

        that was pretty fast. i think if I was a bot sending prompts to an AI to generate posts, i probably wouldn’t care about this amount of computation at all

        • asap@lemmy.worldEnglish
          31·
          3 months ago

          Must be strange to live in a world where you can’t imagine that software could have configurable parameters, such that you could find something that’s fine for a person posting individual comments and painful for a bot farm.

          • nutsack@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            3 months ago

            15 seconds to generate a post from the prompt with ai, and 1/15 seconds for the hashcash challenge is supposed to inconvenience the bot wizards?

            • asap@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              3 months ago

              If they’re running their own LLM hardware, and their Lemmy spam posts are generating enough revenue to cover that, then I take it back, because that is impressive.

              I guess we’re fucked.

              • ayyy@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                1·
                3 months ago

                It’s not always about profit, it’s also about controlling the narrative. The more expensive that is, the less the narrative can be controlled by money.