• Aceticon@lemmy.world
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    “You’re not the problem, it’s those other guys” is a very appealing and hence powerful message that people want to believe (in fact, the worse things are, the more they want to believe it) so it easilly bypasses rationality.

    You might have noticed that in America it’s not just Trump using it or even just his party.

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      Eh… At this point it’s more of a religion. People just believe what they want to believe. And that is the underdog who is the second coming of Jesus and will fix all problems that were created by immigrants.

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      At this point you have entire media silos filled with privatized propaganda, which is just ripe for this shit to happen. And this model is cropping up around the world.

      We need to react to this somehow or we’ll be toast. If we can’t reclaim the media landscape for professional journalism for it’s own sake, we’re headed down a dark road indeed.

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    I sell the things you need to be
    I’m the smiling face on your TV
    Oh, I’m the cult of personality

    I exploit you, still you love me
    I tell you one and one makes three
    Oh, I’m the cult of personality

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    For a conspiracy or a cover up to be real in this day and age it needs to be small, otherwise it just involves too many people to stay secret.

    Trump and his “believers” are a different story. They know it’s not real, instead they’ve all silently (and not so silently) agreed to reject reality and substitute in their false god’s reality.

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      I think the lumpenproletariat who support him so fervently are true believers. Granted, on that side of the political cube lies and honesty all get muddled together into mush.

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      It feels logical, clever and safe to say that, but it’s not remotely true.

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          It’s a lot easier to be dismissive than actually think about the topic, i know.

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              sad the fucker believes national governments can’t keep a secret, it’s too hard, despite all evidence to the contrary, like when they release the files thirty years later and it turns out they were and the crazy people, were not.

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                What crazy thing declassified did I miss, because I remember a ton about UFOs, Kennedy assassination, etc going to be declassified and I don’t remember any earth shattering stories

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      Also worth mentioning this problem is decades in the making and it’s not just America. In Canada we have systematically destroyed our healthcare and education systems to the point where people and trusting them less and less. People, myself included, are not right wing and are checking out of a system that is not doing anything to protect me and mine.

      I am NOT voting conservative but I can see the allure. People latch onto rhetoric when Maslow’s hierarchy of needs isn’t met. When you feel threatened your options disappear regardless of if they’re there or not. Stress impacts your ability to think properly.

      As stated elsewhere we are heading down a dark path and few of us have flashlights and are scared AF at where the mob is going to lead us.

      History is repeating itself because we stopped following history and the ones we used to trust we don’t anymore.

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    It seems that the importance of…ahem, “telling it like it is” cannot be overstated. i.e., racism is an extremely powerful effect.

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      “telling it like it is” is just coded language to say “he says the shitty things that I think are true, so it makes me feel less shitty and empty inside”

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        it is pretty powerful having your beliefs be broadcasted and repeated ad nauseum by a figure you consider of authority. like discovering the idea you thought you had originally being already out there said by someone you hold in respect. for trump followers him just being the nominee of their party of blind choice is already worthy of praise and admiration.

        trump just loves their endless money pit, and will say just about anything to get it. they love that they have a former president with attention from the media to propagate their delusions.

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    How sad for them? I think @christophorious is projecting: how sad for the rest of us.

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    Yeah Trump is all that, but so is everyone else. Everyone lies to convince everyone else their share should be bigger.

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      He himself has one conviction (civil, not criminal) so far, for sexual assault on E. Jean Carroll.

      The people around him (Bannon, Manafort, Flynn, Weisselberg, etc.) have many convictions, including guilty pleas. If you include the January 6th insurrection, hundreds of them.

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        And to think only a few decades ago, Bill Clinton was nearly impeached for receiving extramarital oral sex and lying about it, all the while the general public not knowing he palled around with Jeffrey Epstein…ah, simpler, dumber, but still monstrous times.

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      Absolutely none. These people are rabid in their wrongness, and are incapable of any rational thought. Just a constant drone of “orangemanbad” playing over and over in their heads.

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        Right? People just hate on things that are harmful for no reason. “Orangemanbad” “Carbonemmissionsbad” “Snakevenombad” “Christofascistwannabedictatorbad”

        Fukkin snowflakes.

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          I get that you’re being sarcastic, but you know what? You’ve changed my mind. Trump was as bad as carbon emissions and snake venom. Did you see his followers walking aimlessly in the capital on January 6th? Thank god that rebellion was quelled and we installed the, “better choice” that tangibly made American lives worse to fund a quagmire war in Ukraine. Then, after a complete lack of pushback, because, “at least he’s not literally Hitler,” he went on to hurt our lives even more to commit ACTUAL genocide in Gaza, using American livelihood to fund it,

          But you know, nobody on his “team” dressed up in a bear skin and larped around a defunct government building. So, you know, he’s the good guy.

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            Did you see his followers walking aimlessly in the capital on January 6th?

            No, but I did see them vandalizing a building I pay for, smearing shit on my walls and damaging priceless historically important artifacts. I saw them stealing government laptops and trying to sell them on eBay, and they did all of this at the behest of a rejected president who was trying to whip the mob into more overt and brazen acts.

            …we installed the, “better choice” that tangibly made American lives worse to fund a quagmire war in Ukraine.

            I actually don’t have a problem with supporting Ukraine. I think it’s a damn shame that we are cutting blank checks to Israel, who is currently in the act of committing genocide, instead of supporting a sovereign nation trying to defend itself from the literal war crimes being committed on its people by a very large and very corrupt neighbor.

            he went on to hurt our lives even more to commit ACTUAL genocide in Gaza

            Biden is commiting genocide in Gaza? That’s a big jump. Don’t act like Republicans are doing the right thing here and resisting Biden’s support for Israel. They were practically tripping over themselves to send money to Israel to kill Muslims. MEANWHILE they are stonewalling attempts to help Ukraine in order to get more racist, anti-humanitarian border policies passed.

            I’m not happy about Biden, but I won’t entertain for a nanosecond the notion that he is any worse than trump would be right now.

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    as bad as trump is obama and biden chained a presidential candidate to chair for eight hours to keep her from debating with them and to make sure it stays only two parties

    biden and harris immediately went back on campaign promises and fired staffers who admitted cannabis use

    national police reform promises have stalled in his time in office over policing have gotten worse looking at you cop city in georgia

    national health is at risk of going in the gutter even further and that was another failed promise

    list goes on

    but hey vote biden he is not facist or as bad plus he is not trump

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      but hey vote biden he is not facist or as bad plus he is not trump

      Umm yea, pretty much all the bullshit you spewed before this sentance is irrelevant (most of it is nonsense btw), since I’m gonna have to go with the NON fascist even if he isn’t perfect…