• OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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    Lol, no. Power was incredibly monopolized by the bolsheviki and their Komisars.

    Okay so the first problem is that you’re basing your ideas around the soviet union on popular western media and not an actual understanding of how the system worked.

    Here is a fun rabbit hole to go down… how did too much horizontalism lead to a failure to cyberize the planned economy ala cybersyn?

    The video used the same definition. I never claimed it was congruent with the essay on the anarchist library.

    Timestamp.

    It’s ok, if you didn’t get the video. How is steam a monopolization of power?

    The decisions made regarding the nature and circumstances of operation impose restrictions on all operatives in the system, ergo decisions made on a local level affect everyone. It is the monopolization of the use of literal power (and torque) unless you reject specialization, it is the imposition of authority. And rejecting specialization on a practical societal level requires a massive imposition of authority.

    Do you know the difference between a free and an imperative mandate?

    Yes, are you asking a ML if they don’t understand the difference between strong and weak delegates? Y’all know democratic centralism is our thing right? Which is a much more thorough application of the principle.

    The robbery example would not be authority, but force, according to the anarchist essay.

    LOL. Someone pointing a gun at you and giving you instructions isn’t authority? It isn’t the monopolization of violence in this context?

    The essay’s author doesn’t view self-defense as “blind obedience”, hence they don’t think it is authority.

    The essays author establishes that some anarchists define self defense as a justifiable exercise in authority.

    You claim that the anarchist definition is incomplete, which you try to prove with Engels’ definition.

    No, the argument is that the anarchist definition isn’t grounded in materialism.

    I say that no anti-authoritarian uses the same definition as Engels and the cycle continues.

    That is because Engels is a dialectical materialist and convinced that definitions grounded in dialectical materialism are superior- his problem is that anarchists are being idealist in their definition, and that they should embrace a more coherent definition of it.

    Just admit that you don’t want to consider anarchist perspectives.

    I spent a couple years reading anarchist literature, and turned to reading marxist lit when the anarchists started giving unsatisfactory explanations.

    This might be your pipeline. But I would suggest avoiding wasting time on YouTube.

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      I spent a couple years reading anarchist literature, and turned to reading marxist lit when the anarchists started giving unsatisfactory explanations.

      Are you me?!

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          I agree, post-radicalization Anarchism is a comforting and easy position to adopt, because western Anarchists tend to rail against Marxism, which fits with liberal anticommunism.