• Wanderer@lemm.ee
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    Well that’s just bullshit. Markets have brought more people out of poverty than anything.

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        Lib - “Markets make everything cheaper, which is good.”

        Leftist - “But if there is a labor market, won’t that make labor cheaper?”

        Lib - “Yes, and that is good.”

        Leftist - “How is that good?”

        Lib - “It leads to more profits.”

        Leftist - “But why is it good to have more profits?”

        Lib - “Because a good country is when corporations make profits, and the more profits the corporations make, the gooder the country is.”

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          Love to spend insane amounts of resources on creating a phone that has the same tech and capabilities as all the other phones, but I can’t just get access to their research and they can’t just get access to mine.
          Love to spend insane amount of time working up a cure to covid, but I can’t share my research with others and they can’t share it with me, yay this is awesome.
          Love to spend insane amount of resources working out how to make people want to buy a sugary drink and then spend even more to make them want to buy my drink specifically.
          Love to build empty houses and love to create 1.21 times more food than we need.
          Love to do all this as the world is burning and people are starving.
          Capitalism is the most efficient distribution of resources

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          Kid: “Mommy, what’s a strawman?”

          Mother: “Take a look a this post here. See how they speak for both sides of the argument?”

          Kid: “Yes, they’re arguing with themselves.”

          Mother: “Exactly, and they can make their opponent say what they want.”

          Kid: “That seems like an easy way to make your argument look good”

          Mother: "Yes. It’s like fighting someone who can’t put up any resistance. They could be made of straw. A strawman. "

          Kid: “Oh, I see.”

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            You didn’t engage with their argument, but good try nonetheless. It’s nice to see you cling to a fallacy rather than engage in good-faith discussion of an argument clearly illustrated for you to relate to.

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      Did you know that China is responsible for 75% of the global poverty reduction over the last 40 years?

      Over the past 40 years, the number of people in China with incomes below $1.90 per day – the International Poverty Line as defined by the World Bank to track global extreme poverty– has fallen by close to 800 million. With this, China has contributed close to three-quarters of the global reduction in the number of people living in extreme poverty. At China’s current national poverty line, the number of poor fell by 770 million over the same period.

      https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/04/01/lifting-800-million-people-out-of-poverty-new-report-looks-at-lessons-from-china-s-experience

      https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/server/api/core/bitstreams/e9a5bc3c-718d-57d8-9558-ce325407f737/content

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        Do you know how China got such a huge poverty by the 1980s? Do you know how China got the wealth to start impacting it’s poverty?

        Hint: the CCP took power in 1949. The Maoist era ended 30 years later, and massive economic liberalisation reforms started.

        China today is a world trade powerhouse governed by an elite class (The CCP) with the proles given just enough to keep them where they are. It’s lifted them out of poverty, but it is the shining example of a totalitarian capitist state. If anybody thinks the proletariat have power in China, and it is therefore a socialist state…or that it’s classless with no elite and a communist state… well… You need to talk to some Chinese people.

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          Glad to see Liberals busting out the good old “it’s not real socialism!!111!!” to cope with China’s success :’)