I’m going to need more proof than a tumblr shitpost. There’s no way you’re going to groom someone who wants to be masculine into being feminine, ala femboys, and especially not to offer themselves to the others.
So, this isn’t really proof or a source, but it’s possibly more like grooming people who are closeted trans/non binary (or maybe even before they realize they’re closeted). So it could be people that already want to be feminine but aren’t really aware of it. So imagine a young amab person who’s been bullied into being masculine despite wanting to be feminine. Ending up in such a community would make them a target for this type of grooming.
Just thinking out loud how it might go down. Because I agree, I don’t think it’d be easy to just convince someone who wants to be masculine to be feminine.
The fascists? Because paying a woman is feminism. They want to take what they’re owed, not engage in mutually beneficial business. I think a lot of them would consider having to suffer a prostitute, to pay money for something their chad brethren would never, ever have to pay for, to be immasculating.
I’m sure there are plenty of fascists who do pay for prostitutes, but for the ones above? Much like straight people being coy and indirect, and playing chase with each other: they just like the way the pagentry makes them feel.
I mean, sissy culture is a huge thing. That part I know for a fact. Whether Groypers, specifically, are into this stuff is not something I’m in a position to comment on, but yeah, sissies are big queer subculture.
Basically it’s a very fucked up, very right wing tradwife adjacent take on queerness and transness. The thing here is the guys who are getting into this are the kind of guys who, on some level, really do want to embrace their identity as either a queer man, or a trans woman, but have grown up in such a toxic environment that they’ve never been able to engage with those parts of themselves in a healthy way. So first they try to perform masculinity the way they’re supposed to, but it doesn’t fix their problems so then they accept this new role as “the sissy”, a kind of failure state for performative masculinity that they sort of get bullied into a sort of “Oh no, please don’t force me to eat all this chocolate cake” kind of way. By becoming the “victims” of this transformation into enforced womanhood they get to live out their inner desires in a way that’s compatible with the societal expectations around them.
Of course, the way these people preform feminity is entirely in line with their completely fucked right wing views on women, so it’s this hyper-degrading “Make me a sandwich and then give me a blowjob while I play CoD” male fantasy version of womanhood. That’s a big part of what makes this so appealing to hyper-masculine right wing guys; you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone more committed to being the perfect right wing male ideal of a woman than another right wing man.
Are they really huge as far as queer subcultures go? Like I’ve met one irl, but they’ve always seemed small and like they skewed older. But also it makes sense that I wouldn’t meet many mostly hanging out in leather scenes
I don’t know, there’s generations of anecdotal experience from private schools. Even when I was a kid 30+ years ago it was a common thing to hear, that rich schoolboys buggered the younger boys*, who then took their turn when they were older. It was a common joke in media from the 60s and 70s, which would suggest that it was happening in at least the 30s and 40s.
Obviously it is anecdotal, and could have just been the joke spreading, but British and American media made the same observation for a long time.
*They buggered each other, because nobody would be crude enough to suggest sex, and especially not love! These boys were the future of the British Empire don’t you know! Stiff upper lip and all that.
I’m going to need more proof than a tumblr shitpost. There’s no way you’re going to groom someone who wants to be masculine into being feminine, ala femboys, and especially not to offer themselves to the others.
So, this isn’t really proof or a source, but it’s possibly more like grooming people who are closeted trans/non binary (or maybe even before they realize they’re closeted). So it could be people that already want to be feminine but aren’t really aware of it. So imagine a young amab person who’s been bullied into being masculine despite wanting to be feminine. Ending up in such a community would make them a target for this type of grooming.
Just thinking out loud how it might go down. Because I agree, I don’t think it’d be easy to just convince someone who wants to be masculine to be feminine.
Why wouldn’t they just pay a prostitute? This seems way too convoluted.
The fascists? Because paying a woman is feminism. They want to take what they’re owed, not engage in mutually beneficial business. I think a lot of them would consider having to suffer a prostitute, to pay money for something their chad brethren would never, ever have to pay for, to be immasculating.
I’m sure there are plenty of fascists who do pay for prostitutes, but for the ones above? Much like straight people being coy and indirect, and playing chase with each other: they just like the way the pagentry makes them feel.
Some probably do.
I mean, sissy culture is a huge thing. That part I know for a fact. Whether Groypers, specifically, are into this stuff is not something I’m in a position to comment on, but yeah, sissies are big queer subculture.
Basically it’s a very fucked up, very right wing tradwife adjacent take on queerness and transness. The thing here is the guys who are getting into this are the kind of guys who, on some level, really do want to embrace their identity as either a queer man, or a trans woman, but have grown up in such a toxic environment that they’ve never been able to engage with those parts of themselves in a healthy way. So first they try to perform masculinity the way they’re supposed to, but it doesn’t fix their problems so then they accept this new role as “the sissy”, a kind of failure state for performative masculinity that they sort of get bullied into a sort of “Oh no, please don’t force me to eat all this chocolate cake” kind of way. By becoming the “victims” of this transformation into enforced womanhood they get to live out their inner desires in a way that’s compatible with the societal expectations around them.
Of course, the way these people preform feminity is entirely in line with their completely fucked right wing views on women, so it’s this hyper-degrading “Make me a sandwich and then give me a blowjob while I play CoD” male fantasy version of womanhood. That’s a big part of what makes this so appealing to hyper-masculine right wing guys; you’ll be hard pressed to find anyone more committed to being the perfect right wing male ideal of a woman than another right wing man.
Are they really huge as far as queer subcultures go? Like I’ve met one irl, but they’ve always seemed small and like they skewed older. But also it makes sense that I wouldn’t meet many mostly hanging out in leather scenes
In short, men taking advantage of minorities, nothing new
You’re overthinking a fetish thing. Dudes who are into it are mostly doing it for sexual thrills and the tabooness of it is part of the appeal.
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This is really interesting.
I mean, fucked up and disturbing, yes, but fascinating.
I don’t know, there’s generations of anecdotal experience from private schools. Even when I was a kid 30+ years ago it was a common thing to hear, that rich schoolboys buggered the younger boys*, who then took their turn when they were older. It was a common joke in media from the 60s and 70s, which would suggest that it was happening in at least the 30s and 40s.
Obviously it is anecdotal, and could have just been the joke spreading, but British and American media made the same observation for a long time.
*They buggered each other, because nobody would be crude enough to suggest sex, and especially not love! These boys were the future of the British Empire don’t you know! Stiff upper lip and all that.
Who says they actually wanted to be masculine? What if they just wanted to fit in, and that was how they thought they could?
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Well I hope you’ll keep us updated