Sorry if this is not the place for that kind of discussion. I would like to be civil, please. Some people on Reddit were talking about how only dictators would want to disarm people.

Can I have some explanation on your opinion and why? I believe weapons should be banned and that crime should not exist in the first place. My opinion may change, but I believe there should somehow be strict rules regarding crime to reduce the amount of it and just have a place where it will not be worried about.

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    The world should not have crime. And in such a world, guns would not be needed (excluding for sport).

    To play devil’s advocate and get the conversation going (please don’t down vote), the idea is primarily coming from US citizens whose constitutional amendment states that the right of citizens to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. The idea behind it is self preservation (the right to live and defend yourself) and fight against government tyranny. Which, given the origin of the US, that last one is of valid concern. It’s not about the love of guns (though many do), but upholding that amendment.

    The oppositional approach as I understand is if guns are illegal, there will be no mass shootings.

    I don’t have an answer. I don’t have any guns, and I hate hearing about shootings. So here’s some questions to consider:

    • Will laws banning firearms work against criminals? If not, who now has all the guns?
    • How would we handle cases of tyranny where the government controls all militia?
    • Those who intend to kill, assuming that can’t illegally obtain a gun, will they still kill? (Homemade explosives, mass stabbings, probably more) If killing people is already illegal, then how will making guns illegal make things any different long-term?
    • Given the high percentage of shootings being gang on gang violence, which is illegal by the way, will new laws help?
    • Statistics is complicated. Cars kill way more people, do we outlaw them? Knives kill people, do we outlaw those too? How do we measure statistically what laws will work and what won’t?
    • How do you outlaw and then remove 400,000,000 guns in the US?

    It’s complicated, genuinely. But people argue about it so vehemently that no ground is ever gained in the conversation. I think both sides are in favor of not killing people, but want to go about it in different ways.

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      How would we handle cases of tyranny where the government controls all militia?

      How are you handling the case of tyranny right now? Haven’t seen the guns make a ton of difference so far. I don’t see how they would either, as it would be going against the largest military in the world.