If 1 kg of flour is 2$ but a small piece of bread is 7$ you know it’s a scam…
This is ignoring labor costs and possible artisan experience, depending on where you buy bread. Also funny because paying $2 for a kg of flour would be a crazy scam; that’s more expensive than even the some of the fancier flour brands, which already 3x base price
Yes and no. Labor costs are being ignored, but they’re not all that significant. If you add in even a relatively high minimum wage, the cost blurs out with any volume. Whether you cost them $7 for an hour or $14 is just the difference of a single wasted meal at current prices.
Profit and Loss sheets are messy. They’re paying back of house, front of house, a manager, power, maintenance and rent, but then they’re making dozens of meals an hour. They’re paying 1/10 of the cost for raw ingredients.
Herein lies the rub:
In 2018, a fast food meal at a number of places for 4 ran about $30-$40; currently, it’s closer to $60.
Tacobell still sells a meal for less than $7 with a drink and enough food to satiate an obese II adult. It’s gone up maybe $1.50 since 2018.
Selection and quality have gone down. Most places have been understaffed since covid, they’re paying less in wages, value menus are disappearing.
It would seem that a bunch of places took opportunities to raise their prices until the lines dissapeared. I remember a time, not long ago, if you went to a drive-through around dinner, you were going to be there for a while. McDonalds put in second lanes in most stores to handle the load.
I don’t think I’ve been in a fast food line with more than 2 cars in a few years.
Wow there is so much wrong with your statement I don’t even know where to begin. I’m just going to stay at the obvious that you can still obviously feed a family of four for $40 or less. I know that because I have a family of four and weed out a lot and I’m very aware of pretty much all of the fast food costs. Well yes there are some that can definitely be $50 $60 or more I can definitely buy meals for everybody to be satiated for $40 or less even. Hell when I’m trying to save money I can’t even go a little as low as 20 bucks at a number of different places. And also I’m a business owner and so there are a ton of cost involved besides labor as you mentioned there and the cost of raw materials for food is definitely higher than 1/10 of the cost of what the food is itself. Usually you’re dealing with maybe 20 to 30% and that is being spread over the cost of everything else included there.
Every cost is labour cost in the end. It’s a bit off topic but was a interesting realisation for me. Every time you pay something you pay for another human’s labour in the end.
Every cost is labour cost in the end. It’s a bit off topic but was a interesting realisation for me. Every time you pay something you pay for another human’s labour in the end.
nope. you also pay for the right to extract materials out of the ground (mining rights). that is typically a tax, paid to the state or local community.
and then there’s company profits. where do these go?
When you pay rent. When you pay the bank. Most of paying is for labor, yes, a crazy amount more than most people realize. But the wealthy skim some off the top, and that portion isn’t paying for labor.
Not only that, but you have to pay for their knowledge and expertise. Can my son do my job? Sure, because I trained him. Can he do it as good as I? Not even close, nor can he do it near as fast. When we go someplace that has a higher cost, but, let’s just talk food, the quality of cooking, technique, etc is better, it’s worth the extra cost, to a point. There is definitely the pay me more mentality in many places, but there is also definitely value in much of it.
Let’s talk chicken. If you offer me a butchered chicken done by someone that was hired last week and it’s being paid as such, compared to one that was prepared by a person that has been doing it for 10 years, but there was a 10 or 20% cost difference, it would be well worth it to pay more to make sure the job was done correctly.
If you have no storage space anywhere, it obv won’t work for you.
I buy a bag, split it into gallon ziplock bags, and store it in a Behren’s can (galvonized metal, pest proof) in my basement, refilling my small pantry containers. I also have 40 lbs of pizza flour and a 25 lb bag of rice.
I make my own pancakes, waffles, rice-a-roni, pizza, calzones, there are zero mixes in the house.
This is ignoring labor costs and possible artisan experience, depending on where you buy bread. Also funny because paying $2 for a kg of flour would be a crazy scam; that’s more expensive than even the some of the fancier flour brands, which already 3x base price
His whole argument ignores labor costs.
Yes and no. Labor costs are being ignored, but they’re not all that significant. If you add in even a relatively high minimum wage, the cost blurs out with any volume. Whether you cost them $7 for an hour or $14 is just the difference of a single wasted meal at current prices.
Profit and Loss sheets are messy. They’re paying back of house, front of house, a manager, power, maintenance and rent, but then they’re making dozens of meals an hour. They’re paying 1/10 of the cost for raw ingredients.
Herein lies the rub:
In 2018, a fast food meal at a number of places for 4 ran about $30-$40; currently, it’s closer to $60.
Tacobell still sells a meal for less than $7 with a drink and enough food to satiate an obese II adult. It’s gone up maybe $1.50 since 2018.
Selection and quality have gone down. Most places have been understaffed since covid, they’re paying less in wages, value menus are disappearing.
It would seem that a bunch of places took opportunities to raise their prices until the lines dissapeared. I remember a time, not long ago, if you went to a drive-through around dinner, you were going to be there for a while. McDonalds put in second lanes in most stores to handle the load.
I don’t think I’ve been in a fast food line with more than 2 cars in a few years.
Wow there is so much wrong with your statement I don’t even know where to begin. I’m just going to stay at the obvious that you can still obviously feed a family of four for $40 or less. I know that because I have a family of four and weed out a lot and I’m very aware of pretty much all of the fast food costs. Well yes there are some that can definitely be $50 $60 or more I can definitely buy meals for everybody to be satiated for $40 or less even. Hell when I’m trying to save money I can’t even go a little as low as 20 bucks at a number of different places. And also I’m a business owner and so there are a ton of cost involved besides labor as you mentioned there and the cost of raw materials for food is definitely higher than 1/10 of the cost of what the food is itself. Usually you’re dealing with maybe 20 to 30% and that is being spread over the cost of everything else included there.
Every cost is labour cost in the end. It’s a bit off topic but was a interesting realisation for me. Every time you pay something you pay for another human’s labour in the end.
nope. you also pay for the right to extract materials out of the ground (mining rights). that is typically a tax, paid to the state or local community.
and then there’s company profits. where do these go?
When you pay rent. When you pay the bank. Most of paying is for labor, yes, a crazy amount more than most people realize. But the wealthy skim some off the top, and that portion isn’t paying for labor.
Not only that, but you have to pay for their knowledge and expertise. Can my son do my job? Sure, because I trained him. Can he do it as good as I? Not even close, nor can he do it near as fast. When we go someplace that has a higher cost, but, let’s just talk food, the quality of cooking, technique, etc is better, it’s worth the extra cost, to a point. There is definitely the pay me more mentality in many places, but there is also definitely value in much of it.
Let’s talk chicken. If you offer me a butchered chicken done by someone that was hired last week and it’s being paid as such, compared to one that was prepared by a person that has been doing it for 10 years, but there was a 10 or 20% cost difference, it would be well worth it to pay more to make sure the job was done correctly.
Isn’t that just a justification for more expensive labour? (Like it’s totally justified but it’s still a labour cost)
Or less fancy commercial flour 25lbs for less than $10 from Costco.
Yeah, but where am I gonna keep that much flour in my tiny kitchen?
If you have no storage space anywhere, it obv won’t work for you.
I buy a bag, split it into gallon ziplock bags, and store it in a Behren’s can (galvonized metal, pest proof) in my basement, refilling my small pantry containers. I also have 40 lbs of pizza flour and a 25 lb bag of rice.
I make my own pancakes, waffles, rice-a-roni, pizza, calzones, there are zero mixes in the house.
Yeah, I’ve got 800 sqft in my place and 7ft ceilings to deal with. It’s a galley kitchen that’s just barely wide enough to open the oven door.
Poverty is expensive. I’d love a bigger house.
Flour is worth an entire cabinet or shelf. One of the cheapest ways to eat possible
Sure, lemmie just replace my beans
I eat both. A poor man’s meal variety, rice, beans, and sourdough (water, flour, salt)
Case in point. If you’re buying a 2 pound flour bag you’re scamming yourself lol