By this i mean, grandma checking her email and the IT pro with 10 NAS setup are the perfect linux users.

But us in the middle who pretend we’re smart…its a damn hard road. And then helping others to switch when youre not yet a pro is even harder, though a good learning experience.

Getting games to work perfectly, audio issues, Bluetooth issues, vr setups are far harder to do, running older obscure software, hooking up obscure hardware, using external drives, music production, these are some examples of things that will be extremely hard on linux vs windows for the majority of middle users.

However id say it is worth it if you like learning thousands of weird terms and phrases and putting in many hours of frustration to solve a problem. (Have you tried using floop to Docker the peeble?). It is very satisfying fixing an issue and figuring out why it happened!

Still, when im forced to use windows I see how bad its become, so im sticking with linux!

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    19 hours ago

    May I ask how your Debian upgrades go wrong?

    I mostly say so because I recently upgraded from 12 to 13 with almost no issues; the only issue was something with Apache that ended up being a quick fix. I followed the official Debian guide and temporarily remove third party repos and packages.

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      Havent brought myself to upgrade to 13 yet, but from 11 to 12 i followed to official guidlines, and when trying to reinstall my packages after kernel upgrade stuff got messed up. Packages didnt recognize their own config files anymore, wine completley behaved random, apt was flooded with error messages, the blzrry glassy Theme in I had in KDE plasma didn’t reinstall properly leaving my desktop looking horrible, half programs not working and some weird driver(?) behavior ( hanging Indefinitly when trying to shut down the system and stuff like that)

      Maybe all would have been fixable for someone smart enough, for me it was easier to start again from scratch.

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        4 hours ago

        Did you restart the computer after the upgrade and before reinstalling third party repo packages?

        The “half the programs not working” kind of sounds like you had packages compiled for a newer libc and the like but the newer libc wasn’t in memory yet because you hadn’t restarted.

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          Was a while ago, i think i did. All I know is I worked trough the whole doc to upgrade start to finish because I didn’t know which sections apply to me and which don’t, it was like ten hours of work trying t o understand everything which, holly shit, wasn’t easy and when I finally got completely through it didn’t work as expected.

          Not that I think the docs were wrong, I am aware that I was the problem there, but it sometimes bothers me when people act like Linux is super easy and even grandma can understand and use it while I, the most techy persons in my peer group, give it my all and still dont even manage a simple upgrade, which would be absolutely no problem on the corporate OSs

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            4 hours ago

            Huh. I guess 3 years of Debian usage has just gotten me used to stuff like that.

            I can see where one might go wrong; there’s a lot of sections in that guide with contingencies only meant for specific situations, like upgrading from a USB or optical disc.