Could have done all that without religious propaganda. Though I’ll admit that secular organisations rarely have the knack for creating the kind of organisation that churches have that makes it so much easier for them to actually reach people and keep them engaged, especially without a clear (to the members), concrete worldly purpose. Hard to catch up on ~1000-1500 years of Christianization I guess …
‘going to bars’ doesn’t have organisation and rarely has community, and it encourages problematic drug use which is just about the last thing people like this need. Hobby clubs are much harder to find than churches, and I’d say due to social norms they’re generally not as willing to go into dealing with emotions as churches tend to be. Even if churches are too eager to manipulate you into feeling certain things about certain topics.
IMO, even a worker’s union would have been a better example than yours, but it’s obviously much more single-topic than a church - they don’t usually get involved in marriages or burials, and they tend to be just as gender-segregated as the trades they represent.
You certainly do have community, and it doesn’t encourage problematic drug use, that’s fearmongering. With bars you just need to have regulars you go with. Or go to concerts and listen to music that doesn’t spout hatred.
If anything’s encouraging problematic drug use, it’s the fascist dipshits.
And speaking of marriage, it’s an outdated concept centered around keeping a woman in control, and having a stranglehold on a man all for the sake of a church.
It’s a place that sells alcohol as its primary product. I’m not pro-prohibition or anything like that, but a bar is just not a good place for someone with severe mental health issues. Certainly, some people can handle it, but for a lot of other people it’s dangerous.
Could have done all that without religious propaganda. Though I’ll admit that secular organisations rarely have the knack for creating the kind of organisation that churches have that makes it so much easier for them to actually reach people and keep them engaged, especially without a clear (to the members), concrete worldly purpose. Hard to catch up on ~1000-1500 years of Christianization I guess …
Secular organisations do have them, it’s called going to bars, taking up a hobby club, and so on.
‘going to bars’ doesn’t have organisation and rarely has community, and it encourages problematic drug use which is just about the last thing people like this need. Hobby clubs are much harder to find than churches, and I’d say due to social norms they’re generally not as willing to go into dealing with emotions as churches tend to be. Even if churches are too eager to manipulate you into feeling certain things about certain topics.
IMO, even a worker’s union would have been a better example than yours, but it’s obviously much more single-topic than a church - they don’t usually get involved in marriages or burials, and they tend to be just as gender-segregated as the trades they represent.
You certainly do have community, and it doesn’t encourage problematic drug use, that’s fearmongering. With bars you just need to have regulars you go with. Or go to concerts and listen to music that doesn’t spout hatred.
If anything’s encouraging problematic drug use, it’s the fascist dipshits.
And speaking of marriage, it’s an outdated concept centered around keeping a woman in control, and having a stranglehold on a man all for the sake of a church.
It’s a place that sells alcohol as its primary product. I’m not pro-prohibition or anything like that, but a bar is just not a good place for someone with severe mental health issues. Certainly, some people can handle it, but for a lot of other people it’s dangerous.
That’s because secular organizations generally aren’t looking to make giant cults that they can coax 10% of their income from
The churches in my country are fairly humble compared to that …
It’s certainly doesn’t help that AA has a religious component. I think that turns a lot of people off of it.
Also seems to indoctrinate a lot of people if they aren’t turned off from the get-go. IMO it’s predatory.