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God, don’t remind me when I fucked up my audio on Arch because I had both pipewire and pulseaudio installed and didn’t realize it for a good hour.
I’m having a terrible anxiety flashback from installing Ubuntu on a netbook back in 2010. It was like a 20 command process that required babysitting and a second computer. It felt like each thing I fixed broke two other things.
Things are better now, thankfully.
I feel like the last time I installed Linux and had any issues with sound or internet or anything like that has to be at least 15 years ago
Well, the song is from 1996. And Linux definitely was having trouble with sound then.
Lucky you! :)
For me, switching to Bluetooth half the time makess the audio go crackly and stuttering, which sometimes can be fixed by switching codec, sometimes not, and then after that happens my HDMI audio is screwed up too, even after turning Bluetooth off.
With steam games too, audio is the #1 most likely thing to be not working, or working improperly.
Virtually insane
Choices when trying to get reaper or ardour to work:
- Massive latency, unusable
- All other audio stops working
- No audio at all
- Have audio but now midi devices don’t work
I feel like I got pretty lucky with my bitwig setup (on arch)? I selected PipeWire as the output driver and everything just works (no latency, midi is fine, other apps can still be heard). the only caveat is I have to fiddle a bit if I want the audio to be sent over screen sharing apps, which I think introduces a decent amount of latency. Maybe bitwig has invested in some tech the other DAWs don’t have since it’s commercial software and Linux support is one of their competitive advantages…
That applies to reaper as well. I think it’s mostly that linux sound servers are a pain.
At least for Linux-Reaper:
Use Jack. Install the “Pulse Jack Module”, route Pulseaudio through Jack to simultaneously connect Reaper and everything else to the Jack System out. Always autostart Jack and use the Pulse Module “autoconnect” parameter as a startup script (QJackCtl helps here).
Should fix 1-3, 4 I’m not sure.
I eventually gave up and just chose ALSA, which “just works” with the downside of being exclusive. I’ll give jack another try once I distrohop again.
Maybe I’m missing something obvious but how often is midi used in modern days?
All the time! Not bad for a 1983 protocol.
Very often. You’re plobably thinking of midi playback, but all of those usb (piano) keyboards, drum pads, etc. use the same protocol. Midi is very much not dead.
Extremely frequently. Digital musical instruments generally don’t output production quality sounds – they output MIDI data that describes what note is being played, and an audio synthesizer device or software interprets it and generates the audio data.
Right. I guess I consider that a relatively niche usecase. But on second thought I suppose it’s not that niche once you include hobbyist musicians and that kind of crowd.
I wanted to make the analogy of every tech YouTuber reviewing a laptop or non-high-end PC saying “you’re not going to be rendering long videos on this thing” as if that’s a relatable use case. No, YouTuber, that’s not something most people do on their computers! Most people probably never do it in their life, or only a handful of times ever.
But as I said upon more thought I realize that’s not the case with midi.
it’s absolutely not niche
Any electronic music uses midi basically. So a lot of it
It’s a cheap shot, but I’ll allow it.
Fuck around with pipewire and pulseaudio and find out
Lession learned the hard way. :/
Well, don’t use both at the same time… Seriously though pipewire/pipewire-pulse have fixed all of the already pretty infrequent audio problems I’ve had
TBF I haven’t had a sound issue after Linux mint switched to pipewire.
I haven’t had a sound issue since I unplugged the speakers
I installed Mint on an old laptop and had sound issues with external speakers. Spent 30 mins trouble shooting until I realized there was something with the port that if you fully pushed in the aux cable, it went in too much and the contacts don’t fully meet. There was a sweet spot where the cord is plugged in correctly but not pushed in too much.
I did but that was mostly my own doing.
Linux, in an nutshell.
A lot of Linux issues are actually just messing around then finding out
Copium.
For me it’s like:
- PulseAudio - Bluetooth Audio doesn’t work
- PipeWire - Audio sometimes work, sometimes not. Reboot and figure it out.
I want to like pipewire but configuration is a hell scape of configuration files that bare no resemblance to any I’ve dealt with before, and doesn’t recognise my audio interface probably so I have to just fully stop all pw services and use jack for Ardour.
You have to configure it???
Sadly, I have sound issues since the switch to pipewire is complete. There is less stuttering, yes, but sometimes I experience complete silence. Only if I change the volume a bit, it is back again.
I suspect random switches to the dummy output but I could not find the source of the problem, yet.
ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ ᴵˢ ᵒᴺˡʸ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴴᵃᶜᴷᵉᴿˢ ᵒᴿ ⁿᵉᴿᴰˢ. ʸᵒᵘ ᴺᴱᵉᵈ ᵗʰᵉ ᵀᵉʳᵐᴵᴺᴬˡ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴱⱽᴱᴿʸᵗᴴⁱⁿᵍ. ᴸⁱᴺᵘˣ ᴴᵃˢ ᴺᵒ ᴬᵘᴰᴵᵒ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼᴿᵀ / ᵃᵘᵈᴵᴼ ⁱˢ ᵇʳᵒᴷᵉᴺ. ʸᴼᵁ ᶜᴬᴺ’ᵗ ᴾᴸᵃʸ ᵍᴬᴹᴱˢ ᴼᴺ ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ. ᴸᴵᴺᵁˣ ᴰᴼᵉˢᴺ’ᵀ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼʳᵀ ᴴᵃᴿᴰʷᵃʳᵉ. ʸᴼᵁ ᴴᵃⱽᴱ ᵗᴼ ᶜᴼᴹᵖᴵᴸᴱ ᴱᵛᵉᴿʸᵗᴴᴵᴺᴳ ᶠᴿᵒᴹ ˢᵒᵘʳᶜᵉ.
Its not funny. Why does this shit keep popping up on linuxmemes. Its not true (anymore). Just use Beginner Friendly Distros and you will never face any of this shit… So stop being afraid of a fucking terminal you dork.
Edit: if you complain about your software or hardware not working shutdown your devices and go take a walk in nature and reflect about the fact that you are too stupid to write your own working code for software or build your own chips from a pile of sand or even realize why you even have to use computers as a human being in this short blib of a lifetime in this incomprehensible thing we call universe and instead have to rely upon contributed work of others. But I guess you are unable since your feelings are getting manipulated by a fucking comment on a lemmy community post which makes you angry and nOw I NeEd To ClAriFy StUfF AbOuT LiNux aNd hOw ShIt It ActUaLly StiLl is aNd HaVe To TeLL EvErYoNe oN ThE InTerNeT viA a LemMY CoMmEnT ;((((. Lol you dorks.
Edit2: Yes Linux works like shit at times. Its a frustrating mess sometimes. BuT AtLeAsT mY wOrD DoCuMenTs aRe NoT UpLoAdEd to ThE ClOuD.
Edit3: /s
Edit4:
/sIt was true at the time the song was recorded though.
geez you sound insufferable, i wonder why so many people have negative opinions of the linux community…
also damn I don’t envy anyone who has to use a screen reader to read your first paragraph
ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ ᴵˢ ᵒᴺˡʸ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴴᵃᶜᴷᵉᴿˢ ᵒᴿ ⁿᵉᴿᴰˢ. ʸᵒᵘ ᴺᴱᵉᵈ ᵗʰᵉ ᵀᵉʳᵐᴵᴺᴬˡ ᶠᴼᴿ ᴱⱽᴱᴿʸᵗᴴⁱⁿᵍ. ᴸⁱᴺᵘˣ ᴴᵃˢ ᴺᵒ ᴬᵘᴰᴵᵒ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼᴿᵀ / ᵃᵘᵈᴵᴼ ⁱˢ ᵇʳᵒᴷᵉᴺ. ʸᴼᵁ ᶜᴬᴺ’ᵗ ᴾᴸᵃʸ ᵍᴬᴹᴱˢ ᴼᴺ ˡᴵⁿᵁˣ. ᴸᴵᴺᵁˣ ᴰᴼᵉˢᴺ’ᵀ ˢᵘᴾᵖᴼʳᵀ ᴴᵃᴿᴰʷᵃʳᵉ. ʸᴼᵁ ᴴᵃⱽᴱ ᵗᴼ ᶜᴼᴹᵖᴵᴸᴱ ᴱᵛᵉᴿʸᵗᴴᴵᴺᴳ ᶠᴿᵒᴹ ˢᵒᵘʳᶜᵉ.
Edit: if you complain about your software or hardware not working shutdown your devices and go take a walk in nature and reflect about the fact that you are too stupid to write your own working code for software or build your own chips from a pile of sand
You lasted exactly one paragraph before contradicting yourself.
Please, shut down your device and just take a walk dude
I will make sure to post truly funny and intellectual content next time like “windows bad haha”
windows bad is like fine wine. it gets truer every time it needs to be posted.
Because it’s unfortunately still true. I have a video-card that I can’t upgrade because it nvidia drivers keep breaking my display. I’ve had to swap distros because some don’t work well with my audio-card, or my wifi-card. I was able to get them working eventually, but pretending that it wasn’t a pain in the ass would be a lie.
This attitude of “everything works fine, and if it doesn’t that means you are doing it wrong” is why people don’t like trying Linux. We have to be realistic about the experience. It’s massively better than it used to be, but pretending its flawless is just dishonest.
it’s a funny reference to more broken times
i sometimes struggled with alsa and pulseaudio, especially in more niche or diy distros, and at the time it was frustrating as hell, but looking back it’s a nostalgic memory.
🇺🇸🧑✈️: 😐… 😮 👉🙂
“I understood that reference.”
Unfortunately it is still true to some extent. i do have audio issue (crackling music, no sound, wrong audio preset on my headphones and i cant change it to the right one) all of them are fixed by restarting my PC
That’s not true.
I’ve also had a lot of success on most hardware, but the worst device I ever touched was a 2016 Macbook (one of the last with normal ports) and that thing was a total mess.
Arch: Video, no sound. Debian: Sound, no video. Ubuntu: Everything works, reboot, nothing works.
Probably heavily related to hardware, but still, very inconsistent. I was never able to find the actual issue after weeks.
The final somewhat working configuration was Debian+Liquorix for the video firmware.
So no, it’s not guaranteed.
What do you expect from a Mac, a company whose entire ethos is proprietarism?
Nice catch! 👏 Using one of the most proprietary devices out there in the market as an example.
Well, that may be the case, but you made the claim that using a beginner-friendly distro solves all problems and I gave an anecdotal example of that not being the case. Macbooks have a substantial markt share, like it or not, and are subject to planned hardware obsolescense, so people will try to install Linux at some point.
Besides of all, this was not purely a hardware issue. Else, no configuration would have worked out. There were differences in the default configs of the distributions that caused this erratic behavior and it was not just a pulseaudio/pipewire thing.
I ran into an issue last night with HDMI failing to be assigned as the audio output. a reboot fixed it but idk what the problem really is it how to prevent it.
been full time on Debian 15 years, and full time on Linux 21 years.
If you’re using supported hardware, sure.
My wifi keeps freaking out, my 2.5G nic simply doesn’t work, my Bluetooth acts up constantly, the razor kernel module made my whole setup unstable and I just wanted to change the stupid RGB lights, HDMI support is unpredictable, Nvidia drivers are a shitshow.
I still don’t miss Windows, but Windows 11 is stable on the same hardware.
Good one. (I bluntly assumed you are joking cause otherwise 💅)
Memes are not necessarily meant to be funny. They’re meant to represent a common experience within a group. The horrid failure rate of PulseAudio just a couple years ago fits that definition perfectly, and in fact it’s why I gave up on Ubuntu 14.04 in 2015.
2015
a couple years ago
My friend, time has escaped you.
I wish my one bad experience in 2015 had been the absolute last time Pulse failed for anyone ever. Alas, time doesn’t work that way, and Pulse remained failure-prone for years after my encounter with it.
Part of some people’s chagrin with internet memes culture is presenting outdated and harmful ideas as popular or current. Further spreading misinformation and hurtful beliefs.
Nice. Referencing an experience of the year 2014. Great Catch!
It will stay true as most computers are optimized to windoze-only. Just some of us are lucky because our computer wasn’t optimized to it.
Beginner distros are even worse, once you’re past the absolute beginner phase and start to notice what I call “the fuck you features” you start to hate linux as much as windows, for example, sound always starts with a fade in so notification sounds get muted, that’s because there’s an energy savings option active by default, you’ll find dozens of forum posts telling you how to fix it except, fuck you, none of them work anymore because that configuration file is not there anymore and you must create it and figure out what to write in it.
Another example, celluloid opens subtitles by default, you don’t want that? Fuck you, create a configuration file somewhere and good luck finding out what to write in it. You end up installing vlc.
Things like these has been my experience with linux for the last 15 years.
Lol are you guys bots by apple, microsoft and co? You are so hateful regarding linux. I guess i just have to accept the dead internet theory. Just bots manipulating the masses so big tech companys can still sell their monopolic shit cuz LiNuX StilL sO bAd :(((((
Are you one of those fanboys incapable to see anything wrong in the things they like?
I’ve been using Linux as a daily driver for the last twenty years. Linux has plenty of issues that no one bothers to fix because there’s been some workaround since day one. The philosophy seems to be still they are nerds, they’ll figure it out.
Very mature. If you’re going to act like a toddler, I’ll put you in the timeout box.
For the record, your reply to my comment had no bearing on my decision, and I’ll preserve the entire comment chain in case I find myself on YPTB.
I updated my laptop from Mint 21.3? to 22 and lost all sound. It’s when Mint switched from I think Pulse to Pipewire. The update left behind a random config file that stopped my sound device from being set up, and the only place I could find a fix was on an obscure forum post.
Hibernation and hybrid sleep are both supported by my laptop, and can be set up to work on Mint with a lot of configuration through the terminal. When I reboot though, they stop working again. The related options disappear from the power settings, but work from the terminal.
Pretending that Linux doesn’t have issues is an outright lie at this point
Fucking make a reinstall every once in a while. Migration hell is still true. So my comment is heavily biased cause migration is for noobs.
Do you want to call a few friends to help you move those goalposts?
Pretending that Linux doesn’t have issues is an outright lie at this point
And I’m sure your comparison is done using a Linux-native device, not an originally Windows-specific device you installed Linux on? With power management specifically there’s nothing Linux distros can do to work nicely everywhere, it’s an awful clusterfuck.
The only way to fairly attribute flaws to Linux is to compare a device that waa designed and built for both. Otherwise I could blame, idk, Android for running like shit on my Wii U.
It’s a 9 year old laptop that’s had problems due to software configuration issues. This isn’t cutting edge hardware that’s not supported, it’s an update that didn’t clean up after itself, and a working power setting where the software doesn’t show the available and working options. If I run the hibernate or hybrid sleep commands from the terminal, they work, but the options don’t persist in either the start menu or the power settings gui. That’s nothing to do with it being a Windows device originally.
I like using Linux, and I’m happy using the terminal - I started with DOS, many, many years ago, and the terminal brings back happy memories. Pretending that Linux doesn’t have any problems though is ridiculous.
Fair enough, that indeed sounds like a regression (assuming your old device got officially supported hardware) and a lack of GUI settings. I 100% concur this sucks, both.
I’m still very critical when someone complains that “Linux” doesn’t work properly on a laptop. Most of the time it’s not the fault of any FOSS project, but device manufacturers doing wonky shit that requires device-specific workarounds or license nonsense making support hard to impossible. Especially power management is an issue with newer laptops (which of course doesn’t apply to you) sometimes not even properly supporting e.g. S3 standby because they expect very weird Windows-behaviour (not even standard S0 but some wonky other stuff). I see way, WAY too many “Windows vs. Linux” comparisons on Windows machines that then conclude Linux “not being ready yet” (sometimes even blaming the devs). Meanwhile FOSS developers are being utterly exploited.
Sorry for lashing out a little bit.
Blah blah blah. The world isn’t fair. You don’t get to hand wave away MAJOR issues because they are hard.
“Oh it’ll be ready to switch, just research buy loads of specific equipment next time you buy a computer. I’m SURE you’ll find a nice Dell that’ll be exactly what you need and not a compromise 🙄”
Btw, since it’s so easy, what high quality 75 in TV comparable with an lgc2 is guaranteed to work with HDR, vrr, and or even just being detected after a power state change. Should I just buy another $2000 TV to enjoy Linux?
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Very mature. If you’re going to act like a toddler, I’ll put you in the timeout box.
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Delusional as Trump stuff.
I had to fuck around with both pipewire and gameconf just to get my HDMI audio “working”. I still haven’t figured out why HDR and vrr refuse to work. PoE2 will launch from the desktop but no no no, I use deck mode and crash, no monitor to display to. Turn off and on my display, of it’s fucking gone. Go unplug and put it back in EVERY TIME I WALK AWAY FROM MY COMPUTER FOR A MINUTE. My fucking Xbox and PS5 controllers get seconds off latency and even if I’m plugged in the Xbox controller STILL has issues maintaining a stable connection.
3 weeks into my bi yearly being tricked into thinking THIS is the year Linux DE becomes less a pain in the ass over windows DE and I’m ready to go back.
Am extra 4 fps isn’t worth the effort.
How did you travel from 1997 to get to 2025?
My Lenovo go running the official steam os fails to recognize audio over HDMI if I wake it from sleep. I can switch it to Linux and have sound work but no games will detect audio until I reboot.
