Good luck with innovation when your engineers’ morale is in the shitter. I honestly don’t even believe they want to innovate. They probably want to coast off name recognition and what they have for a while and see how long it takes before they start losing ground. The problem with this is it almost always comes back to kick them in the ass. Here is hoping for just that. Besides screw Cisco, I’ve only worked for companies that hate them and use everything else that gets the job done just as good for a fraction of the cost and way easier to set up.