What’s up with this straight up pro-china and pro-russia stuff on Lemmy lately?
It’s not even praising the people of China and Russia, but rather their gov directly.
Obviously the states have problems, and the EU to a lesser degree, but they at least have some human rights.
Is this some kind of organized disinformation campaign?
NATO has been pressing eastward despite making agreements with Russia that it would not. From the beginning, NATO was formed as an anti-communist alliance, and even after the Soviet Union fell it has been a key tool in encircling Russia to get them to open up their markets to foreign plunder, a tried and true strategy used elsewhere.
Yanukovych was correct in not pursuing the western requirement of austerity politics and becoming a puppet of western countries. NATO used this as an opportunity to overthrow Yanukovych and install a far-right Banderite regime. When the Donbass region wanted to secede, Kiev responded with ethnic repression in the form of language suppression and outright shelling, shelling which accelerated in the weeks leading up to Russian invasion.
With a far-right regime that is violently Russophobic and is cozying up to the number 1 anti-Russian millitary alliance in the world right on their borders, Russia decided to invade when diplomacy fell through. Russia does not give a shit about extraction from Ukraine. They are not in this for the plunder. Russia purely wants Ukraine to promise NATO neutrality, and stop the ethnic cleansing in Donetsk and Luhansk.
This is the bog-standard communist take. Orgs like The Party for Socialism and Liberation have released statements, same as FRSO’s statement. You are unfamiliar with communism yet are trying to use it against itself.
Did you respond to the correct post? This isn’t relevant to what I asked.
It’s entirely relevant and I directly answered you.
You didn’t answer the question.
You believe Maidan was orchestrated by NATO without evidence but without any critical thought believe the separatist movements are real.
Davel pretty much covered it. Part of the Maidan coup was legitimate, but the west took advantage of it and steered it towards its own interests. The seperatist movements were sparked by ethnic suppression and the coup against the president they supported.
Let’s assume you’re correct about US interference in Maidan.
Why do you believe that is an excuse for war, but Russian interference in the Ukrainian state (to the point that their president was a Russian puppet), was acceptable?
There’s a lot of legwork you have to go to to prove Yanukovych was a “Russian puppet.” He sided with the loan that didn’t require privatizing Ukraine’s safety nets and selling them to the west.
Further, I’m not trying to find excuses for war, but explanations for why it happened. Again, Russia doesn’t give a shit about plunder. They just want Kiev to stop suppressing ethnic Russians and for there to be a better buffer along with NATO neutrality. They aren’t after financial domination or extraction.
Not Cowbee, but I want to push back on some more of your what you are trying to imply.
The rest of the world has every right to defend itself against NATO, including when NATO tries to put troops and weapons near highly populated non-NATO-controlled areas, especially when NATO conducts terror attacks.
Firstly, what is your evidence for this Russian interference to the point that the president was a Russian puppet?
Secondly, this is at the very least less bad than NATO’s interference and subjugation of Ukraine at least on the basis of NATO being by far the most evil polity in the world, complete with conduction of at least one current genocide. (EDIT: And you are yet to present an alternative course of action for Russia, despite being repeatedly prompted to, and despite the fact that your claims have no basis if there wasn’t any other serious option for Russia.)
The Maidan coup is precisely why separatist movements came to be of any significance in the first place.
The Maidan massacre was a false flag attack by fascist Banderite snipers with US support. The protests were partly real and partly astroturfed: they were funded & advised by the US/UK in the interest of regime change. Previously.
Here’s how it works: we look for the sorest division/tension within the country we want to regime change, and we take advantage of it and inflame it, because that’s the easiest and most effective way of getting the regime change and/or Balkanization we want. It’s what we did in Afghanistan in the 1980s, and we’ve been reusing the playbook ever since.
In case you don’t recognize this face, it’s bin Laden.
FAIR: Forgotten Coverage of Afghan ‘Freedom Fighters’
The blueprint of regime change operations - How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent
It’s what we did to China in the late 1980s in Beijing and again recently in Xinjiang.