The Chinese government officially acknowledges 1989. The dispute is over who was responsible for the deaths and whether the government’s subsequent response was appropriate.
A better analogy would be terminally online Chinese power posters who spam “Americans don’t know about the MOVE bombing” all day.
The US government officially acknowledges the MOVE bombing. The catch is that the Chicago PD considers their actions justified.
If you want to talk about the protests leading up to Tienanmen, you’re going to need to know more than that “Tank Man Photo Exists”. Most Americans have no idea why the protests occurred (outside a vague, Americanized conception of “They wanted democracy”). They don’t know about the Dengist land reforms. They don’t know who was leading the protests, who - in the CCP itself - tacitly supported them prior to the riot, or the degree of violence in Beijing immediately prior to the tanks rolling in. They don’t know the history of the 1950s Revolution or the policy changes between Mao and Deng that culminated in protests. They don’t know the inherent conflict between urban industrial workers and rural agricultural workers that had been tearing the country apart going back to the Qing Dynasty.
In the same way, you’re not likely to have a lot of Chinese citizens with a deep working knowledge of US Cold War politics in Afghanistan, the British/US propping up of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia as a means of securing oil exports and establishing the petrodollar, the significance of Mecca and Medina or the chronic social pressure that US military bases within their proximity creates, the significance of the Twin Towers as a visual landmark equivalent to Wall Street investment banking, the history of Operation Cyclone, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike America”, the Cheney-Era neocon movement and the Project for a New American Century, or any of the global politics that precipitated the attacks.
The analogy is, ultimately, two groups of dumbshit onliners shouting “People In The Other Country Are Stupid” to each other, without any real idea of what they’re smugly asserting they know about.
What’s really disturbing is the number of AI generated remakes of the video currently all over YouTube. The degree to which that one event has been subjected to distortion and manipulation by social media is really jaw dropping.
I see your meme about the 1985 MOVE bombing and raise you Season 4 of Blowback detailing the events culminating in 9/11 and the subsequent 23 years of US invasion in Afghanistan.
I’m not disagreeing with you about the concept but 9/11 is still a bad analogy because it’s basically part of our national identity, the government uses it for propaganda to this day.
The MOVE bombing was in Philadelphia, not Chicago, and the federal government has not commented on it. But even that isn’t a great analogy because it was carried out by a local government.
9/11 is still a bad analogy because it’s basically part of our national identity
I’ll spot you that American politicians made a sport of screaming “Remember 9/11!” over the top of one another during election season, while Chinese politicians made Tiananmen Square an internal affair. But suggesting the riots weren’t enormously influential to the next 30 years of domestic policy or party politics is… come on. The difference is in how US and Chinese media operate - with US media deliberately intent on inflaming hatreds and ratcheting tensions while China’s media is constantly working to appease and homogenize and integrate its audience.
The Chinese government officially acknowledges 1989. The dispute is over who was responsible for the deaths and whether the government’s subsequent response was appropriate.
The US government officially acknowledges the MOVE bombing. The catch is that the Chicago PD considers their actions justified.
If you want to talk about the protests leading up to Tienanmen, you’re going to need to know more than that “Tank Man Photo Exists”. Most Americans have no idea why the protests occurred (outside a vague, Americanized conception of “They wanted democracy”). They don’t know about the Dengist land reforms. They don’t know who was leading the protests, who - in the CCP itself - tacitly supported them prior to the riot, or the degree of violence in Beijing immediately prior to the tanks rolling in. They don’t know the history of the 1950s Revolution or the policy changes between Mao and Deng that culminated in protests. They don’t know the inherent conflict between urban industrial workers and rural agricultural workers that had been tearing the country apart going back to the Qing Dynasty.
In the same way, you’re not likely to have a lot of Chinese citizens with a deep working knowledge of US Cold War politics in Afghanistan, the British/US propping up of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia as a means of securing oil exports and establishing the petrodollar, the significance of Mecca and Medina or the chronic social pressure that US military bases within their proximity creates, the significance of the Twin Towers as a visual landmark equivalent to Wall Street investment banking, the history of Operation Cyclone, “Bin Laden Determined to Strike America”, the Cheney-Era neocon movement and the Project for a New American Century, or any of the global politics that precipitated the attacks.
The analogy is, ultimately, two groups of dumbshit onliners shouting “People In The Other Country Are Stupid” to each other, without any real idea of what they’re smugly asserting they know about.
Most don’t even realize it’s a video and he just gets led away by bystanders not run over
What’s really disturbing is the number of AI generated remakes of the video currently all over YouTube. The degree to which that one event has been subjected to distortion and manipulation by social media is really jaw dropping.
What do they show?
All my homies know about the MOVE bombing.
I see your meme about the 1985 MOVE bombing and raise you Season 4 of Blowback detailing the events culminating in 9/11 and the subsequent 23 years of US invasion in Afghanistan.
I’m listening…
I’m not disagreeing with you about the concept but 9/11 is still a bad analogy because it’s basically part of our national identity, the government uses it for propaganda to this day.
The MOVE bombing was in Philadelphia, not Chicago, and the federal government has not commented on it. But even that isn’t a great analogy because it was carried out by a local government.
I’ll spot you that American politicians made a sport of screaming “Remember 9/11!” over the top of one another during election season, while Chinese politicians made Tiananmen Square an internal affair. But suggesting the riots weren’t enormously influential to the next 30 years of domestic policy or party politics is… come on. The difference is in how US and Chinese media operate - with US media deliberately intent on inflaming hatreds and ratcheting tensions while China’s media is constantly working to appease and homogenize and integrate its audience.
A lawsuit appealing a judgment against the police and public officials was filed with the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit on November 3, 1994 Africa v. City of Philadelphia (In re City of Philadelphia Litig.), 49 F.3d 945 (1995) and was decided on March 6, 1995.
I don’t know how much more comment you can make than having a federal judge rule on liability.