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      “Ah yes, someone is trying to break into my house, let’s go down to the shop and buy a gun”

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        If you think before posting, ask yourself: is it normal to break into people’s homes?

        And even then, here we don’t worry about criminals with guns that much. The USA is idiotic in that regard, with its pervasive gun culture, resulting in weekly mass shootings.

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          I didn’t ask to be born in a country where burglars are likely to have firearms. But now that I am, I have to react to that fact myself.

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            I am pro gun control, but if I lived in the USA, I’d own a gun. My opinions are for the ballot box and don’t matter whenever someone is breaking into my house and threatening the lives of my wife and my children.

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              I’m against gun control generally, live in the US, and don’t own a gun. Why? The chance that my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I’ll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors’ minds being a “break-in” (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we’ve been here >10 years without any incidents.

              So yeah, guns are more of a liability for me than a useful tool. However, not everyone lives in my area, so need for guns absolutely varies by area. I’d absolutely prefer an armed populace to the government having a monopoly on guns.

              I do agree w/ sensible restrictions, and most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have. Most of the time, someone close to the shooter knew they were a risk yet did nothing.

              Most firearm deaths are either gang related or suicides. The solution there isn’t banning guns, but solving the underlying problems. For those, I support:

              • drug legalization - cuts down on incarceration, which should reduce conversions to organized crime
              • cash redistribution - my preference is NIT, which is similar to UBI; helps prevent people from getting desperate
              • reform prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of punishment - maybe prisons get funded based on reduced recidivism?

              IMO, guns aren’t the problem, they’re a tool. We need to solve the actual problems instead of putting kid gloves on everyone.

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                Why? The chance they my kids find my guns and play with them causing a tragedy is much higher than the chance I’ll need to use a gun. Crime is incredibly low in my area, with the most pressing crime on my neighbors’ minds being a “break-in” (nobody locks their doors) several years before we moved in by akid in the neighborhood, and we’ve been here >10 years without any incidents.

                Valid. But it’s different if you are a transgender person living by yourself (i have heard and don’t question the claim that transgender people in some areas may have their lives threatened)

                most mass shootings would be averted if we actually enforced the laws we have.

                Wasn’t there a school shooting in America where the police tried to “contain” the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.

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                  transgender person

                  Right, which is a huge part of why I’m pro-gun despite not wanting them in my house. I think they’re very useful tools to have for a lot of people, so they should be accessible.

                  Wasn’t there a school shooting in America where the police tried to “contain” the shooter instead of confronting him? By contain, leave him in a class of kids.

                  Probably. I know there were at least cases where the police waited outside.

                  I’m very much in favor of arming and training teachers. I trust a teacher to protect my kids way more than a police officer, even if they’re stationed permanently at the school. They shouldn’t be compelled of course, but it should be an option w/ free training provided by the local police dept or gun club.

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          If you think before posting, ask yourself: is it normal to break into people’s homes?

          No. It’s incredibly disturbing behaviour, and in the USA they are likely armed as well. They’re not going to nicely ask you not to resist them. That’s why you need to have a gun so you can shoot them before they shoot you.

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            With that mindset everyone will have guns, so violence then actually increases.

            The only answer is to dearm everyone.

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              Yeah, I think we’re all in agreement about that here. But everyone isn’t disarmed. I won’t give up my gun until I know with 99% certainty that your average burglar won’t get a hold of an illegal firearm.

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              In most of the UK, even the average police officer isn’t armed. (In Northern Ireland, the average police officer is armed, but the amount of times the firearms are ever actually fired is incredibly rare. Most of the time they go off is actually negligent. When they do go off, they are always investigated.)

              The problem is, how do you disarm the bad guys when you’ve been giving them guns without tracking them for decades

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        Those aren’t exactly normal people.

        When I said, “someone having guns to shoot normal people”, I talked about the MAGA guys having those weapons.