“The terms pansexual, omnisexual, fluid and queer-identified are regarded as falling under the umbrella term bisexual (and therefore are considered a part of the bisexual community). Some use LGBT+ to mean “LGBT and related communities”.[29] Other variants may have a “U” for “unsure”; a “C” for “curious”; another “T” for “transvestite”; a “TS”, “2S”, or “2” for “two-spirit” persons; or an “SA” for “straight allies”.[48][49][50][51][52] The inclusion of straight allies in the LGBT initialism has proven controversial, as many straight allies have been accused of using LGBT advocacy to gain popularity and status in recent years,[53] and various LGBT activists have criticised the heteronormative worldview of certain straight allies.[54] Some may also add a “P” for “polyamorous” or “pangender”, an “H” for “HIV-affected”, or an “O” for “other”.[14][55] The initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture.[56][57]”
Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
The same way there’s straight cis people lol. you have a trans woman who likes men? She’s straight. you have a trans man who is into other men? He’s gay
I usually only hear LGBTQIA+ which has the I for intersex and the A Aro/Ace spectrum. The Q is just queer which is a an umbrella term for everything. I don’t really see the issue with others though, I also wouldn’t know how to make it less complicated in any language. Describing oneself as straight is just comparatively easy as it one thing rather than every other sexuality + also gender stuff. Being homosexual is also just one word and no more difficult.
Similarly, the whole point of the original rainbow pride flag was that it was all-encompassing, i.e. representing the entire spectrum of human gender and sexuality. But that keeps getting added to as well.
I suppose you could argue that new technologies and ways of seeing ourselves have added genuinely new dimensions to it, but if you dont get the thing about maps not being territory, you almost certainly havent engaged with or heard of any of those.
Similarly, I’m not 100% sure about this but afaik the + got commonly added before the IA, and I really dislike adding anything specific after a generalized “everyone who feels part of it” because doing that delegitimizes that the + actually means everyone. Though it also does suck if people feel excluded otherwise.
I’ve seen queer used to refer to the whole community though, but I think LGBT(+whichever addendums) has just been around for so long it’s most people’s goto, plus “queer” used to be a slur.
In my head it’s just “people not conforming to the majority group for sex or gender related reasons” and then I write whatever my brain decides is the term in that moment. Usually LGBTQ+.
As a way to simplify, I’ve always like GSM: Gender and Sexual Minorities. Seems to encompass everything without prioritizing any of the letters, and doesn’t require choosing an arbitrary stop point for which letters to list or not list.
“The terms pansexual, omnisexual, fluid and queer-identified are regarded as falling under the umbrella term bisexual (and therefore are considered a part of the bisexual community). Some use LGBT+ to mean “LGBT and related communities”.[29] Other variants may have a “U” for “unsure”; a “C” for “curious”; another “T” for “transvestite”; a “TS”, “2S”, or “2” for “two-spirit” persons; or an “SA” for “straight allies”.[48][49][50][51][52] The inclusion of straight allies in the LGBT initialism has proven controversial, as many straight allies have been accused of using LGBT advocacy to gain popularity and status in recent years,[53] and various LGBT activists have criticised the heteronormative worldview of certain straight allies.[54] Some may also add a “P” for “polyamorous” or “pangender”, an “H” for “HIV-affected”, or an “O” for “other”.[14][55] The initialism LGBTIH has seen use in India to encompass the hijra third gender identity and the related subculture.[56][57]”
Only Anglo-Saxons can make not being straight an overly structured and semantically confusing endeavour, lol. 🤷
as a member of the letter gang, can we just call ourselves the letter gang and be done with it?
Short and badass… I’d sign the petition. 😅
I propose it should be changed to PFQ: “Pretty. Fucking. Queer.” 🏳️🌈
Think of the asexuals! PQ (pretty, queer) or POFQ (pretty, optionally fucking, queer) are much better.
There are straight trans people in the LGBT community. It’s not as simple as “not straight”.
Enlighten me, Jack.
They just tried… Trans people are part of the queer community they can still be attracted to the opposite gender.
Either I skipped over the word ‘trans’ or it was added later on…
LGB T QIA+
it’s the fourth letter lol
A trans woman interested only in men is heterosexual. A trans man interested only in women is heterosexual.
The same way there’s straight cis people lol. you have a trans woman who likes men? She’s straight. you have a trans man who is into other men? He’s gay
I usually only hear LGBTQIA+ which has the I for intersex and the A Aro/Ace spectrum. The Q is just queer which is a an umbrella term for everything. I don’t really see the issue with others though, I also wouldn’t know how to make it less complicated in any language. Describing oneself as straight is just comparatively easy as it one thing rather than every other sexuality + also gender stuff. Being homosexual is also just one word and no more difficult.
I think the point is that the classification into discrete categories is kind of contrary to the point of queerness.
I don’t really see how you got that from the comment but that would be a good point.
Yeah im probably reading too much into it.
Similarly, the whole point of the original rainbow pride flag was that it was all-encompassing, i.e. representing the entire spectrum of human gender and sexuality. But that keeps getting added to as well.
No. People just keep subdividing pantone numbers.
I suppose you could argue that new technologies and ways of seeing ourselves have added genuinely new dimensions to it, but if you dont get the thing about maps not being territory, you almost certainly havent engaged with or heard of any of those.
If “queer” is an umbrella term then why wouldn’t the whole community just be referred to as such?
Similarly, I’m not 100% sure about this but afaik the + got commonly added before the IA, and I really dislike adding anything specific after a generalized “everyone who feels part of it” because doing that delegitimizes that the + actually means everyone. Though it also does suck if people feel excluded otherwise.
I’ve seen queer used to refer to the whole community though, but I think LGBT(+whichever addendums) has just been around for so long it’s most people’s goto, plus “queer” used to be a slur.
In my head it’s just “people not conforming to the majority group for sex or gender related reasons” and then I write whatever my brain decides is the term in that moment. Usually LGBTQ+.
I tried to explain the main reason that I’m aware of in this comment: https://lemmy.world/comment/17894502
As a way to simplify, I’ve always like GSM: Gender and Sexual Minorities. Seems to encompass everything without prioritizing any of the letters, and doesn’t require choosing an arbitrary stop point for which letters to list or not list.
My nerdy ass brain was like “how in the Windows environment can someone like GSM” and then I continued reading…
What’s wrong with gsm?
Except the thing about India at the end of your quote…
Just say ‘queer’
Gay cunts 🇦🇺
i got fired for saying this at work
Take it as a win XD
Only Anglo-Saxons? Are you sure?
Bigot