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October 6: Palestinian killed as Israeli settlers attack West Bank town of Huwara
November 29: ‘Military camp’: Palestinian town of Huwara under 55-day Israeli closure
December 1, 2023: ‘My son was killed on October 6. There was no Hamas’
December 5: ‘Massacres await’: Palestinians in Nablus warn of deadly settler attacks
December 6, 2023: West Bank family sees no hope of justice in settler killings
December 9, 2023: Two teenagers killed, 15 detained in Israeli raids in occupied West Bank
December 14, 2023: Casualties mount in occupied West Bank as Israeli forces extend raids
December 20, 2023: ‘No safe place’: Jenin’s Freedom Theatre raided, daubed with Star of David
December 24, 2023: Muted Christmas as Palestinian Christians mourn for Gaza
December 25, 2023: Israel hits Bethlehem in Christmas raids on occupied West Bank
December 27, 2023: Six killed in Israeli strike on refugee camp in occupied West Bank
December 1, 2023: Israeli air strikes pound Gaza as truce with Hamas ends
December 1, 2023: Israel strikes Gaza after truce expires
December 1, 2023: ‘Where to go?’ Palestinians say nowhere safe as Israel resumes Gaza bombing
December 1, 2023: Palestinians flee homes, dig in rubble as Israel resumes strikes on Gaza
December 1, 2023: Gaza aid trucks stranded as Israel-Hamas war resumes
December 1, 2023: ‘Bombing everywhere’: As Israel renews war, my eight-year-old has questions
December 2, 2023: ‘Hell on Earth’ in Gaza: Israel strikes hit Deir el-Balah
December 2, 2023: Photos: More deaths and destruction as Israel targets southern Gaza
December 3, 2023: Over 700 killed in last 24 hours as Israel intensifies strikes | December 3, 2023: From north to south, nowhere safe in Gaza as 700 killed in 24 hours
December 4, 2023: Khan Younis hospital stretched by influx of patients as Israel bombs Gaza
December 4, 2023: No end to suffering of Gaza children as Israeli attacks rage on
December 5, 2023: Searching for survivors after Israeli attack on central Gaza building
December 5, 2023: Israel intensifies strikes on Gaza’s second-largest city
December 6, 2023: Israeli raid kills 22 members of Al Jazeera correspondent’s family in Gaza
December 9, 2023: Photos: Israel bombs Gaza areas it declared safe zones for Palestinians
December 9, 2023: US skips congressional review for emergency sale of tank shells to Israel
December 10, 2023: Nearly 300 killed in Gaza in 24 hours as Hamas, Netanyahu trade threats
December 10, 2023: ‘A hand here, a head there’: Israeli warplanes kill dozens in central Gaza
December 24, 2023: Israeli strikes kill UN staff, more than 70 of his extended family in Gaza
December 25, 2023: ‘Massacre’ as Israel steps up Gaza bombardment for Christmas | December 25, 2023: Israel intensifies Gaza strikes, killing 250 Palestinians in 24 hours | December 25, 2023: Gaza’s Maghazi refugee camp in ruins after deadly Israeli attack
December 3, 2023: ‘Death corridor’: The al-Samounis recall terror of ‘safe passage’ in Gaza
December 6, 2023: Two Gaza brothers stripped, jeered at by Israeli army, one taken captive
December 8, 2023: Palestinians detained by Israel in Gaza blindfolded, stripped to underwear
December 13, 2023: Civilians sheltering inside a Gaza school killed execution-style | December 21, 2023: UN calls for probe as Israeli army accused of killing unarmed Palestinians | Demember 26, 2023: Classroom massacre: Survivors say Israel executed innocents in Gaza school
What’s the educated opinion of how could this been handled by Israel? Honest question. (Ignoring the fact that Israel failed with intel)
To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary as the culprits can’t really leave other than the secret tunnels to Egypt which can’t really be bombed.
So the only real alternative is a full Blockade and ultimatum or something? Clearly Gaza doesn’t stand a chance against IDF too so Israel had all of the cards to conjure any response they wanted.
I’ve tried to Google similar modern scenarios and couldn’t find anything.
To me it seems like Gaza had no intention to get rid of Hamas though at the same time bombing is unnecessary.
There hasn’t been elections for 16 or 17 iirc so how can Palestinians “get rid of” Hamas?
Hamas was supported & funded by Netanyahus likud party specifically because it drove a wedge between those in Gaza and in the West Bank. Classic divide and conquer technique.
As for what Israel can do? They can get rid of the genocidal crook that’s running their government and his two murderous far right henchmen and grasp that he had concocted this situation for several reasons:
To divert attention away from his corruption and fraud indictments
To quell the protests that have been going on for months against him because of the corruption and legislation he has passed to curtail the supreme courts ability to hold the executive to account.
To level Gaza, ethnically cleanse it & genocide the Palestinian people so he can get to the natural gas and oil reserves there.
Yes, there’s a lot Israel can do and it needs to be quick about it.
It sounds like you just put everything you don’t like about Israel in that answer, but without actually giving an answer how this actually could be handled. “Just don’t to bad stuff, do good stuff” How would that have been an appropriate response to the terrorist attack?
You’re talking as though the attacks happened in a vacuum, without intelligence from several sources pre-warning of it and without a certain level of collusion from the Israeli executive to allow it to happen and bring capitalised by then for it’s maximum effect.
When you can genuinely approach the subject not from such a disingenuous perspective then my response may well be perceived by you as a bit more than "If you don’t want to be taken for a cunt then don’t act like one "
We can’t change the past. What should Israel do now?
So you didn’t bother to read my comment then?
If you’re too lazy to do that, why the fuck should I put any effort beyond this in replying?
I did. Replacing the government with one less bad would be good, but what should such a theoretical good government do in response to the Hamas attack? For example, I think more fewer air strikes and more ground combat would be better for minimizing civilian casualties, though more Israeli soldiers would die as a result.
For me it sounds like you are you saying, they deserve the terrorist attack and are not allowed to react to it.
Killing is bad
And so are megathreads.
Why?
I am going to use this thread to make a continuation of what I’ve posted in the first megathread where I shared a plethora of related links that share insight on the nature of this conflict.
Reports
#Nakba
Burying the Nakba: How Israel Systematically Hides Evidence of 1948 Expulsion of Arabs
Classified Docs Reveal Massacres of Palestinians in '48 – and What Israeli Leaders Knew
‘I Saw Fit to Remove Her From the World’
Zionist Militia’s Efforts to Recruit Nazis in Fight Against the British Are Revealed
#Recent Events
Using an Attack Dog, Israeli Women Soldiers Forced Palestinian Women to Undress
Cigarette Burns, Beatings, Attempted Sexual Assault: Settlers and Soldiers Abused Palestinians
Israeli Settler Documented Shooting Palestinian at Point-blank in the West Bank
Israeli tank fires on car near Gaza City
Hundreds Involved in Attacking Arabs and Leftists, but Israel Police Arrest Only Four
Far-right Israeli Knesset Member Zvi Sukkot to Head Subcommittee on the West Bank
Perspectives
#Videos
Dr. Gabor Maté (Holocaust Survivor)
^ Here’s an interview regarding recent events.
Katie harper interviews political scientist and activist, Norman Finklestein
^At 1:43:50, Finklestein asserts that Israel would bomb a residential area, wait for people to come out and call an ambulance, and then bomb the ambulance.
Katie Harper interviews journalists and political activists regarding recent events.
^At 00:24:15, Ali asserts that Israel is willing to shoot their own civilians as evidenced by the Hannibal Directive, verifiable events, and testimonies such as Yasmin Porat’s where the IDF was shooting indiscriminately and even fired tank shells into Israeli homes.
#Articles
How colonizers weaponize rape: reflections from the Palestinian case
Opinion | Dying in Southern Gaza: ‘I Want to Go Home. At Least I’ll Die After Drinking Fresh Water’
Opinion | Amid the Mourning, Israel’s Settlement Enterprise Celebrates a Great Victory
Testimonials
Israeli Soldier’s Explosive Tell-All: “Palestinians are right to resist” - Former IDF soldier talks about how he realized that his actions were perpetuating apartheid, and that Palestinians were right to resist through any means.
Tantoura Ethnic Cleansing Testimony - Yosef Diamant ^[There is a whole-ass documentary for those interested.
Breaking the Silence - Israeli NGO where IDF veterans testify their experiences. Some examples:
If you find any other notable background information, feel free to share.
Here will be a compiled list of 972 magazine articles related to this conflict, continually updated as I delve into this harrowing treasure trove of information:
July 31, 2015: Palestinian baby burned to death in West Bank arson attack
July 31, 2016: A year since the Duma murders: Navigating justice and pain
October 12, 2020: For Israel, tens of thousands of Palestinian newborns don’t exist
June 8, 2021: Settlers shot Palestinian and mutilated his body as he lay dying
July 15, 2021: Joint militias: How settlers and soldiers teamed up to kill four Palestinians
April 5, 2022: Israel charges Palestinian journalists with incitement — for doing their jobs
April 10, 2022: Israel’s false promise of security
May 25, 2022: Israel says this book justifies Masafer Yatta expulsions. Its author begs to differ
July 8, 2022: This Israeli forbids Palestinians from building. He lives in an illegal outpost
July 11, 2022: Classified document reveals IDF ‘firing zones’ built to give land to settlers
August 11, 2022: ‘We killed a little boy, but it was within the rules’
August 30, 2022: Israel destroyed Palestinian village for luxury settlement that was never built
September 15, 2022: How Israeli media reported a ‘lynching’ that never happened
September 26, 2022: ‘We built the Palestinian Authority with blood. We won’t give up on it’
November 8, 2022: “He asked me how many children I have. Then he said: ‘Now you have one less.'”
October 5, 2022: In Jenin and Nablus, resistance and despair go hand in hand
January 24, 2023: A coming out party for Israel’s religious Jewish left
February 16, 2023: The theft of Harun Abu Aram’s body, home, and life
February 27, 2023: The pogrom is the point
March 2, 2023: ‘They were burning our house with kids inside. The army didn’t let us through’
March 5, 2023: ‘I couldn’t see if my brother’s murderer was a soldier or settler’
March 13, 2023: ‘Who hits a 64-year-old woman with a bat?’
March 22, 2023: Armed settlers break into Palestinian family home under cover of darkness
May 3, 2023: Revealed: The IDF unit turning ‘hilltop youth’ settlers into soldiers
November 13, 2023: How a hasbara group’s sham investigation put Gaza journalists in the firing line
November 23, 2023: What Israelis won’t be asking about the Palestinians released for hostages
November 30, 2023: A mass assassination factory’: Inside Israel’s calculated bombing of Gaza
December 8, 2023: ‘It would’ve been better if they shot us’: Palestinians recount prison abuse
December 11, 2023: ‘Diseases are spreading rapidly’: In Jabalia camp, thousands shelter in one school
December 19, 2023: Gaza’s rescue workers are haunted by those they couldn’t save
December 19, 2023: A Palestinian student briefly deleted her social media. Israel revoked her permit
December 28, 2023: Palestinian Christians in Gaza fear being ‘swept under the rubble or into the desert’
Thank you for this. Very helpful.
