• Overzeetop@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    I mean, that’s a weird-ass AI prompt. But if fascism wins and you voted third party, yes - it’s partly* your fault unless you’re too stupid to understand how first past the post voting works.

    *conditionals against massive fascist party majority states notwithstanding.

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    9 months ago

    Biden sucks… but vote for him. I mean the two party system sucks, first passed the post sucks, gerrymandering sucks… but the republican party sucks even more. I’d rather have a dottering old liberal than an outright fascist, and at the same time the system won’t be reformed because of an election cycle. People need to organise, get off their lazy butts. But since you ain’t doing that, there’s only one thing to do.

    Vote Biden. Don’t be dumb. It’s like the only sane alternative, no matter how insane that sounds.

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      You know, when Biden took office the capitol building had literally just been attacked by a violent mob who smeared shit on the walls. And we were still in covid-lockdowns, and gas was $4 a gallon, and Ukraine had just started getting attacked.

      Idk why Biden gets so much shit, but given where he started, I think we are doing a damn fine job and our inflation numbers are much better than most of the rest of the world.

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        What’s that? Somebody thinks that a different president is going to stop the drones and bombings!? Like they’re not tied up in deals?! Like if a third party candidate won the process would just magically stop?!?!

        Bush made the bombs drop, Obama made the bombs drop, Trump made the bombs drop, Biden made the bombs drop… wtf do you think the next president will do? The CIA tells them what’s what and that’s it.

        Vote Biden, or get a republican president. Your call.

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    9 months ago

    Counterargument: If the democrats don’t want to lose they should stop funding mass genocide.

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      9 months ago

      Your options:

      • Genocide overseas & decent domestic policies
      • Genocide overseas & Genocide domestically
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          This is not a winnable situation. This is a two party system with a lesser of two evils option.

          But we cannot consistently remain on the edge forever. If we pass over that line. And we have trump next year, it will be our last election.

          We’ll either have a civil war and finally revise the system or end up like Russia.

          Alternatively we can stay on the edge a little longer and build up a different strategy. Maybe A third party that only runs non-president candidates nationwide. Running in off elections and non-presidential yearsto gain seats and national trust. Maybe reforming local laws to make PACS less effective to avoid situations like the current one.

          It’ll be slow and not ideal, but it’s a better chance at improving things then flipping the switch and having the dictatorship now.

          Either way Palestinians die because we don’t get a say in that. And to end off this little rant.

          Biden is enabling the genocide because his PACs have his hands tied. Trump would be cheering on the genocide because his PACS and his base would support him for it.

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            I’m sure his PACs are also making him believe those obviously fake stories about Hamas. It’s time to admit you’re voting for a fascist.

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              9 months ago

              Theres the Fascist who will keep the veil of democracy on and avoid total outright Fascism or the Fascist who will burn democracy to the ground and have outright Fascism.

              Voting for anyone else is at best throwing your vote in the garbage and at worst voting for the greater of two evils.

              This was never an issue of “Voting for the good guy” that hasn’t been an option for as long as I have been alive. This is an issue of biding time to build up a strong enough third party, and we don’t even have a strong enough third party to have a presence in congress or the senate

  • HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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    So, here’s a thought.

    Instead of complaining, get active at a local level. Start doing shit, instead of complaining that other people should do shit. Be a local activist. Run for office. Work in person to persuade people. Get backing. Shake hands, kiss babies, meet people. And then? Vote for the best choices that you have.

    If you want shit to change, you can’t complain on-line, you have to get off your ass and do something.

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      Tried that, all I got for my trouble was a total disillusionment with the American voting public.

      Americans, generally, do not care, and I can’t convince them that they should.

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        You can. But you need to engage them one on one, and you need to find out what’s important to them, what frustrates them, and why. And then build on that. It takes empathy, and not faked empathy. It’s not a short conversation, like asking someone to donate to Greenpeace on a sidewalk in Brooklyn. It’s deep canvassing.

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          “A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its pants on.”

          One-on-one might be effective, but it can’t scale. There’s no hope for the most heavily propagandized country on Earth that doesn’t start with an end to the incentive to lie for profit, I.E. Capitalism.

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            It does scale, but it doesn’t scale directly.

            For the most part, people change based on relationships, not raw information. In general, you can’t counter a belief simply by presenting overwhelming information. (This is one of the only areas where Trump is a savant; he’s actively fostered a parasocial relationship with his cultists. They believe that they have a strong social relationship with him, so they’re inoculated against information that’s critical or negative of Trump.) What this means is that ideas can be contagious, and can spread through relationships. If you are able to use you relationship with your parents to help them understand why e.g. Trump is terrible for the country, then they can, in turn, spread that to their friends.

            While I appreciate your desire to abolish capitalism, in the case of fascism, it’s not money, but power that’s at play. Even if you eliminated all profit motive, people would still shill for Trump because they think that they can get some kind of benefit that isn’t necessarily monetary.

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              Money and power are equivalent, hence my identification of the problem as Capitalism. Billionaire-owners who can afford to run a propaganda machine as a loss-leader are also to be abolished.

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      Maybe you’re misreading my intention. The image is supposed to convey that the Democrats use Republicans as a threat so they can stay in power, and the frayed rope represents them losing control. What did you think I was trying to say?

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        That’s what I thought you meant, the image implies they’re the same thing wearing different masks. The elephant is the weapon, the donkey is the one using it. In other words, a one party system pretending to be two.